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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 11, 2011 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

I was lucky to enough to dl a lot of sbds before they got pulled, including this one:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-16.sbd.fink.17701.sbeok.shnf

for those who don't have a copy, i'll upload the truckin' for you to hear the strange kazoo-like sounds in the intro. anybody know what the heck that is? never heard anything like it. it's most prominent in the beginning, but it comes again throughout the song. is this an instrument!? what is it?

http://www.mediafire.com/?z02jz346jy8dimh

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-11-11 22:10:02

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 12, 2011 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

Doesn't sound intentional to me- it's in rhythm but otherwise tuneless.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 11, 2011 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

That is Keith's keyboard - at 1:26 you can clearly hear him change over the effect, or "voicing" of the instrument... not sure if it's a B3 or Hammond or whatever. Nice clean recording BTW.

edit: or someone throws a switch or repairs something from his keyboard at 1:26.

This post was modified by unclejohn52 on 2011-11-11 22:38:26

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 11, 2011 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

thank you uj. that was my first thought actually, but i'm not familiar with keith ever doing this. i wonder if anyone could shed some light on how this was done technically, and what other times he did this. wasn't he playing his fender rhodes at this point? i don't understand how this was achieved. it sounds awful by the way. doesn't sound anything like a b3. i didn't think it could be a speaker problem, because you can tell how it's incorporated into the music.

edit: wait a minute uj. the kazoo sounds are from the first 1:26, then it switches over briefly, and then at 1:36 back to the kazoo sounds. now i'm really confused.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-11-11 22:44:00

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 11, 2011 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

Yes, I hear it come back again as you mention, then go away pretty quickly... then thru the majority of the song everything's cool. I would ascribe this to a tech issue as somebody mentioned with WOS equipment, not done deliberately.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 11, 2011 5:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

I'm particular to the PITB, it's downright cosmic and one of the top 3 - imo - of the year. I think there IS someone with a kazoo playin along at the start...WT?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Nov 11, 2011 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: do you mean gazoo????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoSiKpqvD9Q

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 11, 2011 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: do you mean gazoo????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9_N3wYsno

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Poster: Freak-Freely Date: Nov 12, 2011 1:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: do you mean gazoo????

I think it's Ned Lagin and his box of tricks. It's quite clear on the Road Trips release.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 11, 2011 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Paging Light Into Ashes

your assistance would be greatly appreciated here!

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-11-11 22:46:03

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Poster: ducats Date: Nov 11, 2011 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Paging Light Into Ashes

whose?

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Poster: ducats Date: Nov 11, 2011 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Paging Light Into Ashes

scratch that - just noticed the thread change - which is a little to much for me to keep up with

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 11, 2011 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Paging Light Into Ashes

You rang?

It's definitely a problem with Keith's Fender Rhodes. I don't think it's an intentional effect. But you can tell it's in his channel, and that's the sound that comes out when he's pressing the keys. (Which is why it's in rhythm with the tune.) I couldn't say whether it's a speaker or a cable or what.
But some ace Dead tech seems to have been at work while Keith played; at :45 (on the RT copy) it switches back to the 'normal' Fender sound, at 1:02 returns to the buzz, comes back to normal at 1:20, buzzes again at 1:32, and is back to normal for good by 1:49. The electronic mice were defeated again!

Keith also makes weird UFO noises on the PITB in that show, on purpose...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 12, 2011 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Paging Light Into Ashes

thanks very much for answering your pager and giving your input lia.

leftwinger, i know he didn't primarily use the rhodes, but after the hiatus i'm pretty sure he used nothing but his rhodes. i also know that with the WOS, keith's piano had two pickups, with half the signal going to the pa, and half going to the monitor system. this produced a much better sound than if they just played mics by the piano. he also used a wah-wah at times, but i don't think the sound was from that. i also remember reading at some point that the piano pickups were charged with an extremely high voltage, which would often crackle in humid conditions, which makes perfect sense. iowa is known to have VERY humid summers, which is when this show was played.

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Poster: reviewr Date: Nov 12, 2011 8:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Paging Light Into Ashes

Does any other band raise these kind of questions?

Does any other band have fans that know the answer?

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Nov 12, 2011 3:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Paging Light Into Ashes

I don't want to start any wacky debate here on what Keith played but all I remember was defiately a B-3, A 9ft baby grand and then after that was ditched on to the electric Yamaha piano. Now I'm sure Cliff or some one could come up w/ a pix of the Fender Rhodes which is easily indentified.
To add to this I just found an old pix of the free 75' gig in the park w/ clearly a F/R on stage but this is during set break and could've easily belonged to Starship as well.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 11, 2011 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

I always thought that was a blown speaker

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Poster: ducats Date: Nov 11, 2011 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

gotta like it - i was just about to reply lol - then i read further down, and i see my alma mater actually gets a notch in his belt! - i believe i saw a knock the indian thread a few days ago - not that i have a horse in the race

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 11, 2011 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

Holy post-truckin' jam! I forgot how good this baby was. The china>rider is among the best of the year as well, and how about that eyes?

The quality of this sbd I have is very good. Does anybody happen to have the RT copy in addition to an older sbd? How much better can the RT be? IMO when they pick official releases, they should focus more on shows they can really improve the sound quality on. There's too many releases that I already have amazing copies of.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 11, 2011 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-06-16, WTF is that kazoo sound on Truckin!?

Strange buzzing, like a bad speaker cone from the WOS.